Legislature(2019 - 2020)ADAMS ROOM 519

01/23/2020 01:30 PM House FINANCE

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01:33:17 PM Start
01:35:15 PM Fall 2019 Production Forecast by the Department of Natural Resources
02:17:13 PM Fall 2019 Revenue Forecast by the Department of Revenue
03:11:05 PM Adjourn
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Natural Resources
Fall 2019 Revenue Forecast by Dept. of Revenue
                  HOUSE FINANCE COMMITTEE                                                                                       
                     January 23, 2020                                                                                           
                         1:33 p.m.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
1:33:17 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CALL TO ORDER                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Foster  called the House Finance  Committee meeting                                                                    
to order at 1:33 p.m.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS PRESENT                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Representative Neal Foster, Co-Chair                                                                                            
Representative Jennifer Johnston, Co-Chair                                                                                      
Representative Dan Ortiz, Vice-Chair                                                                                            
Representative Andy Josephson                                                                                                   
Representative Gary Knopp                                                                                                       
Representative Bart LeBon                                                                                                       
Representative Kelly Merrick                                                                                                    
Representative Colleen Sullivan-Leonard                                                                                         
Representative Cathy Tilton                                                                                                     
Representative Adam Wool                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS ABSENT                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
None                                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
ALSO PRESENT                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Sara  Longan,  Deputy  Commissioner, Department  of  Natural                                                                    
Resources;  Pascal  Umekwe,  Petroleum  Reservoir  Engineer,                                                                    
Division of  Oil and Gas,  Department of  Natural Resources;                                                                    
Mike Barnhill,  Acting Commissioner, Department  of Revenue;                                                                    
Dan  Stickel,   Chief  Economist,  Department   of  Revenue;                                                                    
Colleen  Glover,  Director,   Tax  Division,  Department  of                                                                    
Revenue; Representative Sarah Hannan.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
PRESENT VIA TELECONFERENCE                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative Ben Carpenter                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
SUMMARY                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
FALL 2019  PRODUCTION FORECAST BY THE  DEPARTMENT OF NATURAL                                                                    
RESOURCES                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
FALL 2019 REVENUE FORECAST BY THE DEPARTMENT OF REVENUE                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Foster  reviewed  the   agenda  for  the  day.  He                                                                    
indicated  Representative Hannan  was  in  the audience.  He                                                                    
asked people  to hold their  questions until the end  of the                                                                    
presentation and  invited testifiers from the  Department of                                                                    
Natural Resources to the table.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
^FALL 2019 PRODUCTION FORECAST BY  THE DEPARTMENT OF NATURAL                                                                  
RESOURCES                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
1:35:15 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
SARA  LONGAN,  DEPUTY  COMMISSIONER, DEPARTMENT  OF  NATURAL                                                                    
RESOURCES,  was joined  by her  colleague  Dr. Umekwe.  They                                                                    
would be walking through  the PowerPoint Presentation: "Fall                                                                    
2019  Production  Forecast."  She recognized  and  respected                                                                    
that they had a significant  amount of information to cover.                                                                    
Mr.  Stokes was  also present  as  the new  director of  the                                                                    
Division  of  Oil  and  Gas and  the  team  responsible  for                                                                    
preparing the forecast each year.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Foster queried  if Mr. Stokes would  be joining Ms.                                                                    
Longan at  the table. Ms.  Longan responded that  Mr. Stokes                                                                    
would be available if needed.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Foster  indicated Representative Ben  Carpenter was                                                                    
online.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Longan reviewed  the presentation  outline on  slide 2.                                                                    
Dr. Umekwe would walk through  an overview and highlights on                                                                    
production including  focusing on some North  Slope projects                                                                    
that were currently under production  and would be reviewing                                                                    
their timelines.  In the production forecast  the department                                                                    
would  review   the  objectives,  provide  an   overview  of                                                                    
methodology, and share near-term and longer-term results.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Longan turned to slide 3:  "State of Alaska: Oil and Gas                                                                    
Resource Potential."  She would not  spend much time  on the                                                                    
slide  because  members  were   already  familiar  with  the                                                                    
information.  Alaska was  a large  state and  land ownership                                                                    
was important.  It could drive  royalty shares  from various                                                                    
producing leases.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Logan  turned to slide  4 containing a map  with greater                                                                    
detail focusing  on the  North Slope.  She pointed  out that                                                                    
the  state's  royalty  share differs  across  lands  of  the                                                                    
state.  She pointed  to  the  left side  of  the slide  that                                                                    
showed the  National Petroleum  Reserve Alaska  (NPRA) which                                                                    
was managed by the Bureau  of Land Management. Royalty rates                                                                    
in NPRA were 12.5 or  16.66 percent. The state received half                                                                    
of  the royalties  which were  distributed through  the NPRA                                                                    
Impact  Mitigation  Grant  Fund.  The  program  was  managed                                                                    
through the Department of  Commerce, Community, and Economic                                                                    
Development (DCCED). Oil production  revenues from NPRA were                                                                    
used   to  fund   planning,  construction,   or  maintenance                                                                    
projects to help  offset the impacts of  NPRA development to                                                                    
the  affected communities.  If any  revenues were  left over                                                                    
after all of  the projects were financed, 25  percent of the                                                                    
remaining  funds could  be put  towards the  Permanent Fund,                                                                    
and other  remaining balances could go  to the Public-School                                                                    
Trust Fund or the Power Cost Equalization Fund.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Logan highlighted  the middle of the  slide which showed                                                                    
the state lands  (shown in blue) where the  major oil fields                                                                    
existed including Prudhoe Bay  and Kuparuk. The royalty rate                                                                    
was 12.5 or 16.66 percent.  The state's share was 83 percent                                                                    
to 100 percent.  The right-hand side of  the map represented                                                                    
the  coastal plain  of the  Arctic National  Wildlife Refuge                                                                    
(ANWAR). The  royalty rate in  ANWAR was 16.66  percent. She                                                                    
furthered  that when  there was  a lease  sale, the  state's                                                                    
royalty share  was 50 percent.  She noted the  importance of                                                                    
offshore  projects. She  explained that  the state  received                                                                    
100 percent of  royalties for any producing  acres from zero                                                                    
to 3 nautical miles offshore.  Alaska's royalty share was 27                                                                    
percent for any  producing acres 3 to 6  miles offshore. The                                                                    
state  did  not  receive  royalties  for  anything  produced                                                                    
beyond 6  miles offshore.  The royalty rate  for all  of the                                                                    
federal leases was 16.66 percent.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Merrick   asked  how  much   production  was                                                                    
conducted  offshore. Ms.  Longan responded,  "In short,  not                                                                    
much."                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Representative Wool clarified that  the state percentage was                                                                    
a percent  of the  royalty percentage of  12 or  16 percent.                                                                    
Ms. Longan responded in the affirmative.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Longan   transitioned  to  the  next   portion  of  the                                                                    
presentation which Dr. Umekwe  would be presenting. He would                                                                    
be walking  through the  production forecast  and production                                                                    
highlights.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
1:40:35 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
PASCAL  UMEKWE, PETROLEUM  RESERVOIR  ENGINEER, DIVISION  OF                                                                    
OIL AND GAS, DEPARTMENT  OF NATURAL RESOURCES, reported that                                                                    
the forecast  was the result of  an interdepartmental effort                                                                    
between the  Department of Natural  Resources (DNR)  and the                                                                    
Department of  Revenue (DOR).  There was  a team  within DNR                                                                    
that  worked  on  the   forecast  consisting  of  engineers,                                                                    
geologists, and  commercial analysts. The first  part of his                                                                    
presentation would  cover a comparison between  the forecast                                                                    
and actual production  as well as highlights on  some of the                                                                    
key  projects  that supported  the  production  seen on  the                                                                    
North Slope and in the Cook Inlet.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Dr.  Umekwe  turned  to  slide   6:  "Fall  2019  Production                                                                    
Forecast: FY  2020 Outlook." The slide  compared actual with                                                                    
forecasted production.  He pointed to  the left side  of the                                                                    
slide showing  actual production. He indicated  that for the                                                                    
previous  5  months  of  the   current  fiscal  year  actual                                                                    
production had  been around 490,000  barrels of oil  per day                                                                    
which  fell in  the  range of  the  production forecast.  He                                                                    
explained that DNR  provided DOR with a  range of production                                                                    
because of the  level of uncertainties in all  of the fields                                                                    
that  made  up  production.  The department  looked  at  the                                                                    
reliability  of the  forecast  in terms  of  the range.  The                                                                    
chart demonstrated that actual  production had landed within                                                                    
the range  the department provided.  It was about  2 percent                                                                    
different from the expected mean rate.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Dr.  Umekwe  moved  to  slide  7  which  showed  an  overall                                                                    
perspective  of  the North  Slope.  He  pointed to  the  top                                                                    
right-hand  side of  the chart  which showed  production for                                                                    
the previous 5  years. Production had been  somewhat flat in                                                                    
the first  2 or 3  years. For the prior  2 years, FY  18 and                                                                    
FY 19,  there was  a  slight drop  in  production. The  drop                                                                    
averaged  to about  2 percent.  There had  been a  2 percent                                                                    
decline over  FY 18  through FY  19. The  drop of  2 percent                                                                    
compared  well with  historical  decline rates  seen on  the                                                                    
North  Slope. The  data showed  a decline  of about  4 to  5                                                                    
percent on the  North Slope. However, for the  prior 2 years                                                                    
it had remained  at 2 percent. He suggested it  spoke to the                                                                    
amount of  work that producers  had done to  keep production                                                                    
at its current levels.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Dr.  Umekwe  indicated  that  the left  side  of  the  slide                                                                    
highlighted some  of the  fields that  supported production.                                                                    
He noted modest  production decline in Prudhoe  Bay, about 2                                                                    
percent in  the prior year.  He mentioned other  fields that                                                                    
had also  experienced a modest  decline of 2 percent  in the                                                                    
previous fiscal year including  Kuparuk, Colville River, and                                                                    
Nikaitchuq.  There was  growth in  some of  the other  units                                                                    
including NorthStar,  Milne Point,  and Point  Thompson over                                                                    
the  same period.  Some  of  the fields  were  shown on  the                                                                    
bottom  right  of  the  slide.   All  the  bars  above  zero                                                                    
represented  fields that  had experienced  growth. The  bars                                                                    
below zero represented fields that had seen decline.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
1:44:18 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Dr. Umekwe advanced to slide 8  showing a status update on a                                                                    
few  of  the projects  mentioned  in  the department's  last                                                                    
presentation. He pointed to the  second expansion of the CD5                                                                    
pad within  the Colville  River Unit. Next  on the  list was                                                                    
the  GMT Unit  within  the federally  managed Moose's  Tooth                                                                    
Unit. Other  projects included  Pikka, Willow,  and Liberty.                                                                    
He pointed  to the  right column listing  rates tied  to the                                                                    
projects.  The department  obtained most  of the  rates from                                                                    
public  sources. The  first rate  was  an internal  estimate                                                                    
based on the  number of wells that the  producer intended to                                                                    
drill. The other rates were based on announced peak rates.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Dr.  Umekwe  highlighted  that  often  times  the  estimates                                                                    
changed based  on new information  from the  operators. More                                                                    
details on  the specifics of  any of  the rates seen  on the                                                                    
slide  could be  addressed directly  with the  operators. He                                                                    
also noted the  public numbers. He specified  the number for                                                                    
GMT2 was  about $1.4  billion; Pikka  was about  $5 billion;                                                                    
and Willow  was between $4  billion to $6  billion. Overall,                                                                    
about  $20  billion in  spending  was  needed to  bring  the                                                                    
projects online.  The projects  were part of  the companies'                                                                    
plans. However, all of the  plans could be reviewed based on                                                                    
several  factors including  oil prices,  the fiscal  system,                                                                    
costs,  and  other  factors.  He  noted  that  the  projects                                                                    
competed  for capital  in the  portfolio  of each  operator.                                                                    
Depending  on how  the projects  competed, capital  could be                                                                    
moved.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Dr.  Umekwe  pointed  to  some changes  in  dates  from  the                                                                    
column,  "January 2019"  to the  column, "January  2020." He                                                                    
explained that often  times a project might  be scheduled to                                                                    
come online in  2020 or 2021, but because of  many factors a                                                                    
project  might go  dormant. The  information contributed  to                                                                    
the department's approach in  developing a forecast. Instead                                                                    
of  the dates  being  fixed, the  department considered  the                                                                    
dates  as  flexible and  reflected  the  flexibility in  the                                                                    
forecast.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Dr.  Umekwe  continued  to slide  9  showing  the  long-term                                                                    
production outlook for the North  Slope. The slide reflected                                                                    
the  mean estimate  with  a high  case and  a  low case.  He                                                                    
pointed to the currently  producing (CP) fields [represented                                                                    
in blue]  such as  Prudhoe Bay,  Kuparuk, Alpine,  and other                                                                    
popular  fields.  The  red  portion   of  the  chart  showed                                                                    
production  expected to  come from  projects  that would  be                                                                    
done in  the next  12 months (within  the fiscal  year). The                                                                    
brown/tan  color denoted  projects  that  were further  out,                                                                    
between 2  years to 10 years.  Looking at the rates,  it was                                                                    
difficult  to sum  up the  peak rates  (the rates  companies                                                                    
announced). The  slide showed the  peak rates  combined with                                                                    
risks  and  uncertainties  tied to  the  projects.  He  also                                                                    
pointed out  that current  production declined  overtime. It                                                                    
was a natural progression. New  projects were an addition to                                                                    
a declining  base production. Adding  the new  project rates                                                                    
to the  current production rate  of 500,000 barrels  per day                                                                    
to reach 700,000  would not happen quickly,  as the projects                                                                    
would  come in  at different  times. The  impact of  all the                                                                    
projects was more tamed.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
1:49:17 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Dr.  Umekwe  indicated he  would  be  addressing the  second                                                                    
portion of  the presentation  which spoke  to the  method or                                                                    
approach the department used to generate the forecast.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
1:49:32 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Dr.  Umekwe reviewed  the Fall  2019 forecast  objectives on                                                                    
slide  11.  His  team's  main objective  was  to  produce  a                                                                    
production  forecast   that  could   be  used  by   DOR  for                                                                    
generating  the  state's  revenue forecast.  The  department                                                                    
also tried  to apply methods  that looked at both  the short                                                                    
term and  the long term.  The department tried to  provide a                                                                    
forecast  that  was  reliable   in  the  short-term  helping                                                                    
legislators  plan  for  the  current  fiscal  year  and  the                                                                    
following year while also providing  a forecast that yielded                                                                    
a realistic picture of future production.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Dr.  Umekwe  defined  the  three  production  categories  on                                                                    
slide 12 used  to generate the production  forecast. Current                                                                    
Production  (CP)   was  the  first  category   and  included                                                                    
production from  fields like Prudhoe Bay,  Kuparuk, and some                                                                    
of the  other fields online.  The second category  was Under                                                                    
Development (UD)    projects expected to come  online in the                                                                    
current   fiscal  year.   The  third   category  was   Under                                                                    
Evaluation (UE)    projects  that were  further out  such as                                                                    
Willow, Pikka, and GMT2.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
1:51:05 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Dr. Umekwe continued to slide  13 which focused on the level                                                                    
of  uncertainty his  team observed  in  the three  different                                                                    
buckets  of  production.  Most of  the  currently  producing                                                                    
fields had been  online for a long time,  and their outlooks                                                                    
were  easier   to  estimate.   The  outlook   for  currently                                                                    
producing  fields  could  not  be  taken  for  granted.  The                                                                    
production   depended  on   spending  levels   the  producer                                                                    
incurred  in fixing  wells and  ensuring  they continued  to                                                                    
deliver.  There  were  many   other  factors  including  the                                                                    
performance of  a reservoir itself.  As a result,  there was                                                                    
still  uncertainty  around  production already  online.  The                                                                    
remaining  two buckets  had to  do  with future  production:                                                                    
under development  and under evaluation. The  commonality of                                                                    
the  two buckets  was  that the  projects  were not  online.                                                                    
There might be a level of  certainty as to whether a project                                                                    
would happen at a specific time.  Overall, if a well was not                                                                    
drilled,  there was  still uncertainty  irrespective of  how                                                                    
much confidence there was in  its data. Ultimately, the goal                                                                    
was  to see  a project  produce and  to evaluate  whether it                                                                    
compared closely  to the  expected production.  He continued                                                                    
that projects  under development would be  wells he expected                                                                    
to be  drilled in the  current fiscal year, FY  20. Projects                                                                    
under  evaluation   were  projects  he  expected   to  yield                                                                    
production beyond FY 20.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Dr. Umekwe  explained that the  last bucket,  projects under                                                                    
evaluation, were  very important because there  were so many                                                                    
categories   of  uncertainty   that   applied.  There   were                                                                    
subsurface  uncertainties such  as brining  up a  field that                                                                    
did   not  produce   as  much   as   expected  or   exceeded                                                                    
expectations. He  spoke of  CD5 and the  first phase  of the                                                                    
project  exceeding  the  operator's forecast.  He  indicated                                                                    
that the  GMT1 project had  not met the  operator's expected                                                                    
rate.  One  thing was  certain,  actual  production did  not                                                                    
exactly equal expected production.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Dr. Umekwe  spoke of  the importance  of continued  focus on                                                                    
short  and long-term  planning on  slide 14.  The department                                                                    
tried  to provide  one product  that served  the purpose  of                                                                    
guiding short-term planning as well as long-term planning.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Dr. Umekwe continued to slide  15: "Forecast Accuracy: Near-                                                                    
Term." He noted  that the most important  take-away from the                                                                    
slide was  that in the  near-term maintenance work  and some                                                                    
of the operational changes that  operators made in trying to                                                                    
get fields  to produce became important  to forecasting. For                                                                    
instance, if there was a  change in scheduling activity like                                                                    
an operator planned  major maintenance in a  given month and                                                                    
was  shifted  across several  months,  it  would affect  the                                                                    
accuracy of  DNR's forecast in  the short-term.  He reported                                                                    
that  DNR engaged  with operators  with the  help of  DOR to                                                                    
understand  some  of  their   processes  and  their  planned                                                                    
changes and to incorporate them into the forecast.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
1:55:18 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Dr. Umekwe discussed the accuracy  of the statewide forecast                                                                    
in  the near-term  on slide  16. The  Department of  Natural                                                                    
Resources generated  the forecast  in November  [2019] using                                                                    
data as  up to date as  June [2019] from the  Alaska Oil and                                                                    
Gas Conservation Commission (AOGCC).  He indicated the graph                                                                    
showed how  the forecast  performed. There  was 5  months of                                                                    
history to  test the forecast  the department  generated. He                                                                    
highlighted   the  black   dots   that  represented   actual                                                                    
production.  The   bowed  lines  represented  the   mean  or                                                                    
expected  production and  the broken  lines represented  the                                                                    
range.  The  department's goal  was  to  ensure that  actual                                                                    
production came within the range  provided. He noted that in                                                                    
the last 5 months of  the current fiscal year production had                                                                    
aligned well within the DNR  range and followed closely with                                                                    
DNR's mean.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Dr.  Umekwe   moved  to   slide  17,   "Realistic  Long-Term                                                                    
Projection." He would be  discussing the long-term forecast.                                                                    
He mentioned  earlier that  one of  DNR's objectives  was to                                                                    
develop a product  that served in the short-term  and in the                                                                    
long-term.  In the  long-term the  department looked  at the                                                                    
behavior  of fields,  the  long-term  development plans.  It                                                                    
also applied  engineering judgement in terms  of the outlook                                                                    
for fields. The  department was also looking  closely at the                                                                    
project characteristics  announced by the operators  for the                                                                    
fields that were yet to  produce. All of the information was                                                                    
considered  to provide  the state  a  robust medium-term  to                                                                    
long-term outlook for all of the fields.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Dr.  Umekwe  continued  to slide  18,  "Comparing  Long-term                                                                    
Projections". He explained that one  way to test the outlook                                                                    
DNR had  in the long-term was  to see an aggregated  view of                                                                    
the  operators'   numbers.  The  chart  showed   DNR's  mean                                                                    
forecast  represented in  red. The  blue bar  represented an                                                                    
aggregation  of submissions  from operators.  He noted  that                                                                    
DNR's confidence  in its forecast  was based on  whether the                                                                    
operators' outlook  fell within the range  DNR provided. The                                                                    
chart  confirmed that  the  operators'  outlook fell  within                                                                    
DNR's forecasted range. The  operators' forecast fell within                                                                    
the high  case forecast,  shown in brown,  and the  low case                                                                    
forecast, shown in hashed brown.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Dr. Umekwe  indicated that DNR's  goal was not  to replicate                                                                    
what  the   operators  provided  because  there   were  some                                                                    
inconsistencies  in the  way each  operator might  decide to                                                                    
present  an  outlook.  In order  to  generate  a  production                                                                    
forecast product,  the department used the  information that                                                                    
was provided  publicly and applied a  consistent methodology                                                                    
across all  projects. It took  into consideration  the risks                                                                    
and uncertainties around  each project including performance                                                                    
risks, start times, and commercial risks.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Dr.  Umekwe moved  to slide  19: "Increasing  Uncertainty as                                                                    
New Fields/Projects Come Online"  which showed DNR's outlook                                                                    
and  noted that  the range  of uncertainty  was included  at                                                                    
each time  in the outlook  period. He highlighted  that less                                                                    
was  known in  the out  years. In  the distant  future there                                                                    
were  more   projects  coming  online.  Some   of  them  had                                                                    
conceptual plans  that could potentially change,  and others                                                                    
were  still in  the  permitting process.  He suggested  that                                                                    
when  incorporating  all  of  the  possible  risks,  like  a                                                                    
project not starting on time  or being rescoped, the outlook                                                                    
showed uncertainty father out.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Dr.  Umekwe turned  to slide  20 related  to projects  under                                                                    
evaluation in  the medium  to long-term.  He pointed  to the                                                                    
left of the  map which showed federally-owned  lands. On the                                                                    
right was ANWR,  also federally managed (lands  in which the                                                                    
federal  government  owned   mineral  interests).  The  pink                                                                    
sections  of the  chart  showed Native  land,  and the  blue                                                                    
sections of the  map showed state managed lands.  All of the                                                                    
projects  reflected in  the forecast  numbers were  shown on                                                                    
the map. Some projects spanned  the entire map. He concluded                                                                    
the presentation and was glad to take questions.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
2:00:59 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Foster recognized  that Representative  Tilton had                                                                    
joined the meeting earlier. He  commented that the committee                                                                    
was building the budget and  needed to know what the revenue                                                                    
would be. A good portion  of the revenue would be determined                                                                    
by the  price and production  of oil. He referenced  slide 7                                                                    
and suggested that DNR's forecast  for the first 5 months of                                                                    
FY 21  was 506,000 barrels  per day, slightly down  from the                                                                    
prior year of 520,000. He asked if he was correct.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Dr. Umekwe  answered that slide  7 showed  actual production                                                                    
as observed in FY 19,  the most recent fiscal year, compared                                                                    
to the more distant past.  Production for the first 5 months                                                                    
of the current fiscal year was  shown on slide 6. He relayed                                                                    
that  the  forecasted  average  production  for  FY  20  was                                                                    
506,000  barrels of  oil per  day. The  department predicted                                                                    
that production would stay relatively  flat from what it was                                                                    
in FY 19.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Foster  confirmed that slide 6  showed the forecast                                                                    
of 506,000 barrels per day for  the first 5 months of FY 21.                                                                    
Dr.  Umekwe relayed  that the  forecast was  500,000 barrels                                                                    
per day for the first 5 months.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Representative Josephson addressed a  question to Ms. Longan                                                                    
pertaining to slide 4. She  had noted the royalties belonged                                                                    
to  the federal  government except  for a  federal law  that                                                                    
provided  for  direct impact  aid.  She  discussed how,  for                                                                    
example, if the  borough could not represent  that it needed                                                                    
all of the royalty monies, some  of it would make its way to                                                                    
Juneau. However,  there was no  history to report.  He asked                                                                    
if  he  was  accurate.  Ms.   Longan  replied  that  he  was                                                                    
accurate. She  reported that  from FY 87  through FY  19 the                                                                    
royalty amount that  went through the impact  grant fund was                                                                    
$209 million.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
2:04:30 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative Josephson  asked what  Dr. Umekwe  could tell                                                                    
the committee about production at  Port Thompson. He queried                                                                    
if it had reached 10,000  barrels. Dr. Umekwe responded that                                                                    
there had  been months  where production had  reached nearly                                                                    
10,000 barrels.  However, on  an analyzed  basis it  had not                                                                    
reached 10,000 barrels.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Josephson  thought that  falling  production                                                                    
would be  reflected in the  later slides. He  concluded that                                                                    
although  there  was  some  good  news,  in  the  out  years                                                                    
production would decline. He suggested  it would be lucky if                                                                    
production stayed in the 500,000 to 600,000 barrel range.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Dr. Umekwe thought Representative  Josephson had made a fair                                                                    
statement based  on the risks  and uncertainties  around the                                                                    
projects as  seen presently. He elaborated  that because the                                                                    
numbers DNR provided had incorporated  risk, when the actual                                                                    
projects  came online,  the numbers  would be  different. In                                                                    
most cases, the numbers would exceed what was shown.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Representative   Wool    mentioned   the    previous   day's                                                                    
presentation  from the  Legislative  Finance Division  (LFD)                                                                    
which  showed   the  projection   for  10  years   out.  Oil                                                                    
production appeared flat with  a slight decline. He wondered                                                                    
how  close  the predictions  made  10  years prior  were  to                                                                    
current production.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Dr. Umekwe  responded that DNR could  provide information on                                                                    
how  accurate a  specific  year's forecast  was compared  to                                                                    
present day  numbers. In  the past,  there was  a systematic                                                                    
bias in the forecasts. In  most cases, forecasts were higher                                                                    
than  actual  production. However,  there  was  a change  in                                                                    
activity levels  across time. Currently,  it was one  of the                                                                    
busiest   periods  in   the  state.   The  difficulties   of                                                                    
forecasting  production changed  across  time  based on  the                                                                    
number  of  projects  in  play and  the  level  of  advanced                                                                    
planning.  He  concluded  that  in  comparing  most  of  the                                                                    
forecasts  in  the  past, the  majority  shot  above  actual                                                                    
production numbers.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
2:08:38 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Vice-Chair  Ortiz  asked,  that  when  DNR  was  forecasting                                                                    
production into  the future  beyond 5 years  or 6  years, he                                                                    
wondered how  much was factored in  when considering changes                                                                    
in conditions in  the Lower 48, production  costs around the                                                                    
world, or worldwide demand. He  wondered how they influenced                                                                    
the  likelihood  of  projects coming  online.  He  asked  if                                                                    
things like lowering  costs of production in  the Basin were                                                                    
factors.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Dr.  Umekwe  responded  that the  price  mechanism  was  the                                                                    
clearest  way the  market saw  the interplay  between demand                                                                    
and supply which drove the  overall portfolio of production.                                                                    
Costs  became  important  when considering  things  such  as                                                                    
technology and  its impact  on reducing  costs. There  was a                                                                    
correlation that many  people could agree on  which was that                                                                    
when  prices were  low, they  affected  the costs  operators                                                                    
were willing to spend to bring projects online.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Dr.  Umekwe spoke  to the  relationship between  the numbers                                                                    
DNR  provided and  potential changes  that could  occur. The                                                                    
relationship  was  captured  in  price.  The  price  numbers                                                                    
received from DOR reflected  the market's best understanding                                                                    
of potential future prices. He  continued that to the extent                                                                    
that  future prices  affected the  economic  viability of  a                                                                    
given  project  on  the  North   Slope,  the  projects  were                                                                    
reflected in the forecast.  Projects that were significantly                                                                    
challenged, such as  projects in the far-flung  areas of the                                                                    
North Slope  where the costs  of bringing them  online could                                                                    
be around $100  to $150 per barrel, would  reflect poorly on                                                                    
the numbers DNR presented.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
2:11:34 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Sullivan-Leonard  mentioned  Pikka,  Willow,                                                                    
and Liberty fields.  The peak rate had a  potential total of                                                                    
340,000  barrels. She  thought  it was  a promising  prosect                                                                    
when the  number was added  to the current average  of about                                                                    
500,000 barrels.  She asked if  there was a  reliable amount                                                                    
of certainty  regarding the development  and success  of the                                                                    
projects anticipated to come online.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Dr. Umekwe indicated that projects  such as Pikka and Willow                                                                    
were bright  spots on the horizon.  The department continued                                                                    
to monitor  their progress. However, projects  and timelines                                                                    
could  change. If  prices fell  drastically, it  would be  a                                                                    
guess  as  to  how  fast the  projects  would  progress.  He                                                                    
indicated  that DNR  steered away  from including  the rates                                                                    
expected from  future production  projects into  the current                                                                    
production   rate.   The   present  day's   production   was                                                                    
declining. He suggested  that by the time  the projects came                                                                    
online, production might  be less than the  current rate. He                                                                    
reiterated that there was significant uncertainty.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
2:14:26 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Longan  agreed  that  uncertainty   always  had  to  be                                                                    
considered. She  shared some level  of excitement  about the                                                                    
three  projects  Representative  Sullivan-Leonard  mentioned                                                                    
along  with others.  For example,  the  operators of  Pikka,                                                                    
Willow, and  Liberty had contributed a  tremendous amount of                                                                    
capital  expenditures   to-date.  The  other  part   of  the                                                                    
responsibility   of   DNR    was   working   on   regulatory                                                                    
authorizations. For  each of the 3  aforementioned projects,                                                                    
they  had made  huge  milestones. She  confirmed there  were                                                                    
projects that were bright spots in future development.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Knopp asked  about the  Liberty project.  He                                                                    
queried if  the prospect was  in federal waters  and whether                                                                    
it  was   tied  up  in  litigation.   Ms.  Longan  indicated                                                                    
Representative Knopp  was correct  that the  Liberty Project                                                                    
was  in litigation  and did  not have  significant certainty                                                                    
concerning  the   timeline.  As   proposed,  there   was  an                                                                    
artificial  gravel island  planned 6  miles offshore.  There                                                                    
was a  sub-c connection onshore and  onshore facilities that                                                                    
would  bring  state  and local  revenue  taxes.  There  were                                                                    
opportunities with the project.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Knopp   asked  if   she  was   referring  to                                                                    
production  taxes bringing  in  revenue  resulting from  the                                                                    
Liberty  Project.   Ms.  Longan  responded,   "Yes,  through                                                                    
taxes."  She  elaborated  that because  the  production,  as                                                                    
proposed,  was 6  miles  offshore, the  state  would not  be                                                                    
receiving royalties.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Foster thanked  the presenters  and indicated  the                                                                    
committee would move  to the topic of the  Fall 2019 Revenue                                                                    
Forecast.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
^FALL 2019 REVENUE FORECAST BY THE DEPARTMENT OF REVENUE                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
2:17:13 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MIKE BARNHILL,  ACTING COMMISSIONER, DEPARTMENT  OF REVENUE,                                                                    
was joined at the table  with Dan Stickle and Collen Glover.                                                                    
The majority of  the presentation would be  presented by Mr.                                                                    
Stickel  and Ms.  Glover.  He was  available  to answer  any                                                                    
questions  that  might  arise regarding  tax,  revenue,  and                                                                    
administration policy.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
DAN  STICKEL,   CHIEF  ECONOMIST,  DEPARTMENT   OF  REVENUE,                                                                    
reported  the goal  of  the presentation  was  to provide  a                                                                    
high-level overview  of the  current state  revenue forecast                                                                    
which  underlaid the  governor's budget  proposal. He  would                                                                    
touch on  the major drivers  of the oil revenue  forecast in                                                                    
particular because  it was one  of the key  revenue sources.                                                                    
He  noted  there were  two  elements  to the  Department  of                                                                    
Revenue's  (DOR)  presentation:  the core  presentation  and                                                                    
eleven  addendum slides  prepared  in  response to  requests                                                                    
from the  other body. If there  was time, he would  be happy                                                                    
to delve  into them.  He wanted to  make sure  the committee                                                                    
had  all of  the  information provided  to  the other  body.                                                                    
Otherwise, he could leave the  slides with the committee and                                                                    
answer questions later if they arose.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Stickel  began with  the chart on  slide 3  which showed                                                                    
total  revenue for  FY 19  and the  forecast for  FY 20  and                                                                    
FY 21.  In  terms of  total  state  revenue, the  department                                                                    
expected it  to be relatively  stable at around  $11 billion                                                                    
per   year.  The   department  presented   revenue  in   the                                                                    
presentation and in  the Revenue Sources Book  in four broad                                                                    
categories consistent with the budget definitions.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Stickel  elaborated that the  primary category  of focus                                                                    
was unrestricted  general fund  (UGF) revenue  available for                                                                    
appropriation for any purpose. In  FY 19 UGF revenue totaled                                                                    
$5.4  billion. The  Department  of  Revenue was  forecasting                                                                    
about $5  billion per year in  FY 20 and FY  21. He reported                                                                    
three  other  categories of  revenue  in  the forecast.  The                                                                    
first was  designated general fund  (DGF) revenue  which was                                                                    
technically  available  for  appropriation  but  customarily                                                                    
appropriated  for  specific  purposes.   An  example  was  a                                                                    
portion  of  the  alcohol  tax revenue  which  went  to  the                                                                    
alcohol and  drug abuse treatment  and prevention fund  by a                                                                    
customary  appropriation.  The  second  category  was  other                                                                    
restricted revenue which  was significantly more restrictive                                                                    
in how it could be  used. There were usually debt covenants,                                                                    
constitutional prohibitions, or  other solid restrictions on                                                                    
how revenue  could be appropriated.  The third  category was                                                                    
federal revenue  which brought in  a little over  $3 billion                                                                    
in the previous fiscal year.  All federal revenues came with                                                                    
provisions on how they could be used.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
2:21:16 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Stickel  indicated that slide showed  a visual depiction                                                                    
of how the  $11 billion total state revenue  was broken out.                                                                    
The  largest  sources   were  investment  earnings,  federal                                                                    
earnings,  and   petroleum  revenue.   Investment  earnings,                                                                    
primarily with  the Permanent Fund (PF),  were currently the                                                                    
state's largest single source of  revenue. He continued that                                                                    
beginning with FY  19, DOR was considering a  portion of the                                                                    
PF earnings stream  to be UGF revenue.  Federal revenue made                                                                    
up  about  one  third  of total  revenue  and  was  entirely                                                                    
restricted in  how it  could be used.  Finally, oil  and gas                                                                    
made up  about one  quarter of  state revenue.  He suggested                                                                    
that  while  other  industries   and  revenue  sources  were                                                                    
important  to the  constituents  they impacted  in terms  of                                                                    
employment and jobs,  they only accounted for  10 percent of                                                                    
state revenue.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Stickel moved  to slide 5 which  focused on unrestricted                                                                    
petroleum   revenue.  The   total  amount   of  unrestricted                                                                    
petroleum revenue was  $2 billion in FY 19  and was expected                                                                    
to be $1.6 billion  in FY 20 and $1,4 billion  in FY 21. The                                                                    
primary components  of revenue  included: the  state's share                                                                    
of property tax which contributed  about $120 million in the                                                                    
most recent  year; corporate income tax  which contributed a                                                                    
little over  $200 million;  and oil  and gas  production tax                                                                    
which contributed $595  million in FY 19. He  noted that the                                                                    
production tax  revenues would decline  to the  $300 million                                                                    
to  $400 million  range. The  reason for  the decline  was a                                                                    
slightly lower  price forecast, a slightly  lower production                                                                    
forecast,  and  higher  spending  by the  oil  companies.  A                                                                    
combination of the factors placed  the production tax regime                                                                    
into  the minimum  tax regime.  He  would touch  on what  it                                                                    
entailed further into the presentation.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Stickel continued that all  of the taxes were dwarfed by                                                                    
the  revenues that  royalties  brought  in. State  royalties                                                                    
generated $1.1  billion in FY  19. The amount  was projected                                                                    
to decrease in  FY 20 and FY 21 due  to three factors. First                                                                    
was the lower price in  production   the state would receive                                                                    
a royalty on a lower value  of oil. The second was a growing                                                                    
share  of incoming  production coming  from non-state  land.                                                                    
For example,  the state was  not receiving  the unrestricted                                                                    
royalty  on NPRA  development. The  third factor  had to  do                                                                    
with a provision around PF sharing.  In FY 19, 25 percent of                                                                    
royalties were deposited  into the PF which  was required by                                                                    
the constitution.  In FY  20, a  higher amount  averaging 50                                                                    
percent  for  certain  leases,   but  30  percent  of  total                                                                    
royalties, was  deposited to  the PF.  It had  to do  with a                                                                    
statutory provision  that allowed for a  higher deposit into                                                                    
the  PF  of  royalties  for  certain  leases.  The  forecast                                                                    
assumed the higher statutory deposit in FY 21 and beyond.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
2:25:05 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Stickel turned to slide  6 which highlighted some of the                                                                    
key changes  to the  unrestricted revenue  forecast compared                                                                    
to  the  spring forecast  released  the  previous March.  He                                                                    
indicated that  for FY 19  the Alaska North Slope  (ANS) oil                                                                    
prices  came  in  $.56 per  barrel  above  the  department's                                                                    
spring  forecast. However,  unrestricted  revenue was  about                                                                    
$50 million  below the spring revenue  forecast. The primary                                                                    
reason  for the  shortfall  had to  do  with production  tax                                                                    
which came in $140 million  below DOR's forecast. There were                                                                    
higher than expected refunds for  the 2018 tax year that the                                                                    
state paid  out as well  as attributing some  production tax                                                                    
payments for  the constitutional  budget reserve  (CBR) fund                                                                    
at the end of the year  reducing the general fund portion of                                                                    
the production tax.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Stickel  reported  that  for   FY  20  and  FY  21  the                                                                    
department  reduced the  price  forecast for  both years  by                                                                    
$2.46 for FY  20 and by $7.00 for FY  21. The department was                                                                    
currently  forecasting   $59  per  barrel  in   FY  21.  The                                                                    
reduction in price  forecast was the primary  reason for the                                                                    
reduction in the revenue forecast for both years.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Stickel  advanced to slide  7: "Total Percent  of Market                                                                    
Value  (POMV)  Transfer  Forecast." He  included  the  slide                                                                    
since  the  PF  was   the  largest  source  of  unrestricted                                                                    
revenue. He  highlighted the FY  19 transfer to  the general                                                                    
fund of about  $2.7 billion as well as  the 10-year forecast                                                                    
reaching $3.8 billion  by FY 29. The amount  of the transfer                                                                    
was  available  for   dividends  and/or  general  government                                                                    
spending as  the legislature saw fit.  The transfer forecast                                                                    
was based  on the  POMV of  the fund.  He reported  that for                                                                    
FY 19 through  FY 21  the transfer was  5.25 percent  of the                                                                    
average market  value of the  first 5  of the last  6 fiscal                                                                    
years. He indicated  that for FY 22 and  beyond the transfer                                                                    
was  5 percent  of the  market value.  The forecast  for the                                                                    
POMV   was  dependent   on   investment   returns  and   oil                                                                    
production. The forecast assumed  a 7 percent annual average                                                                    
return on the fund as  well as ongoing mineral deposits that                                                                    
brought hundreds  of millions of  dollars into the  fund per                                                                    
year.                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Ortiz  referred to  the  7  percent rate  of                                                                    
return.  He thought  the Alaska  Permanent Fund  Corporation                                                                    
(APFC)  had  reported the  average  return  rate to  be  6.5                                                                    
percent.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Stickel  responded  that  the   6.55  percent  was  the                                                                    
expected  rate  of  return  when  DOR  prepared  the  spring                                                                    
forecast.  However, 7  percent was  the new  rate of  return                                                                    
from APFC and was reflected in the fall forecast.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Stickel advanced  to slide 9 and  the department's price                                                                    
forecast. He  relayed that the  department made a  change to                                                                    
the   price   forecast   methodology.  He   explained   that                                                                    
previously  the oil  price forecast  was based  on a  survey                                                                    
approach where  DOR brought a  group of state  employees and                                                                    
experts  together for  a day-long  session in  the month  of                                                                    
October. The group studied oil  market trends and ultimately                                                                    
came  up with  the oil  price forecast.  There were  various                                                                    
issues  with the  survey-based approach.  It  was very  time                                                                    
intensive, not  exceedingly transparent  to the  public, and                                                                    
by  the  time the  forecast  was  released in  December  the                                                                    
information was  stale. Frequently, the department  ended up                                                                    
adjusting  the forecast  at the  last minute  not using  the                                                                    
results of the day-long meeting.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Stickel   conveyed  that  in   the  current   year  the                                                                    
department   developed  a   methodology   that  used   price                                                                    
forecasts  from  the  futures market  for  the  following  2                                                                    
years.  The  department  was  able   to  compile  the  price                                                                    
forecast  on  Monday,  December 2,  2019,  and  release  the                                                                    
entire revenue  forecast on  the following  Friday, December                                                                    
6,  2019.  The  result  was a  timely  price  forecast.  The                                                                    
forecast relied  on the Brent  futures prices as  of Monday,                                                                    
December  2nd and  was fully  documented. Therefore,  anyone                                                                    
could  replicate how  the  department  determined its  price                                                                    
forecast.  One issue  that arose  in preparing  the forecast                                                                    
was that  historically, Alaska North  Slope (ANS)  crude oil                                                                    
and  Brent  crude  oil  traded   very  closely  (trading  in                                                                    
parody). However, currently  ANS crude oil was  trading at a                                                                    
$2 premium to Brent crude oil  for a variety of reasons. The                                                                    
department acknowledged the information  in the forecast. He                                                                    
furthered  that the  $2 premium  was incorporated  currently                                                                    
and  assumed  that  it  would phase  out  throughout  FY  20                                                                    
returning to parody by FY 21.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
2:30:21 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Stickel  drew attention to  the chart on slide  10 which                                                                    
showed  4 years  of historical  oil  prices and  4 years  of                                                                    
projections from  various forecast sources. The  prices were                                                                    
for  Brent  crude  oil  and  were in  real  terms,  so  they                                                                    
excluded  the  impacts  of  inflation.  He  highlighted  the                                                                    
department's  Fall 2019  forecast  remained  fairly in  line                                                                    
with the futures market over  the near term. It was actually                                                                    
slightly higher than  the futures market over  the long term                                                                    
due to  DOR's decision  to hold  prices constant  beyond the                                                                    
budget year  in real terms. The  department's price forecast                                                                    
was slightly below  what the average oil  market analyst was                                                                    
saying  and  several  dollars  per  barrel  below  what  the                                                                    
Federal Energy Information Agency  was projecting. The take-                                                                    
away from the slide was there  was a range of forecasts from                                                                    
the  mid $50  to the  mid $60  per barrel.  The department's                                                                    
forecast looked  to be within  the range,  possible slightly                                                                    
more  conservative. However,  DOR  knew  its price  forecast                                                                    
would be inaccurate.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Stickel   advanced  to  slide   11  which   provided  a                                                                    
sensitivity analysis showing how  revenue would change based                                                                    
on certain  oil prices.  He highlighted that  for FY  21 the                                                                    
official forecast  was $59 per  barrel which  generated just                                                                    
under $2 billion of UGF  revenue excluding the POMV transfer                                                                    
from the  PF. Around  current prices each  $1 change  in the                                                                    
ANS price would  result in a change of about  $30 million to                                                                    
$35 million UGF revenue.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Stickel  indicated there  were a  couple of  slides that                                                                    
touched on the production  forecast which the committee just                                                                    
heard about  from DNR. Slide 13  was a reminder of  some key                                                                    
provisions. The  Department of  Revenue worked  closely with                                                                    
DNR  to produce  the production  forecast and  represented a                                                                    
most likely value within a range of potential outcomes.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Stickel turned  to slide  14 that  showed the  official                                                                    
production forecast  for the following  10 years as  well as                                                                    
high-case and  low-case sideboards. He mentioned  that there                                                                    
was a slight difference in  DOR's production numbers and the                                                                    
numbers presented by DNR. The  difference had to do with how                                                                    
DOR  treated  natural  gas  liquids  used  in  enhanced  oil                                                                    
recovery     barrels produced  at  Prudhoe  Bay, shipped  to                                                                    
Kuparuk,  and  reinjected  into  the  Kuparuk  reservoir  to                                                                    
support   enhanced  oil   recovery  there.   The  department                                                                    
excluded an assumption of 10,000  barrels per day of natural                                                                    
gas liquid  shipments from the  production numbers  that DOR                                                                    
reported in  the Revenue  Sources Book.  The reason  for the                                                                    
exclusion was because the numbers  did not go into the Trans                                                                    
Alaska Pipeline (TAPS) and were  not considered produced for                                                                    
tax  purposes.  However,  DNR  considered  the  barrels  for                                                                    
royalty purposes.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Stickel moved  to the  cost  forecast on  slide 16.  He                                                                    
reported  that the  cost of  production was  tracked closely                                                                    
for  2  reasons.  First,  the   cost  of  production  was  a                                                                    
barometer  of   company  investment   in  the   state  which                                                                    
ultimately led  to future  production and  supported current                                                                    
production.  Secondly,  production  costs were  an  integral                                                                    
part  of  the  production tax  calculation.  Companies  were                                                                    
allowed to  deduct most costs  of production  in calculating                                                                    
their  production  tax   liability  which  included  ongoing                                                                    
operational   costs  and   capital   expenditures  with   no                                                                    
depreciation requirement.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
2:34:16 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Stickel relayed  that slide 17 showed  a 10-year history                                                                    
and forecast  of allowable lease expenditures  for the North                                                                    
Slope.  The department  used  several  different sources  to                                                                    
develop  its   forecast.  The   most  valuable   source  was                                                                    
information  obtained directly  from the  operators every  6                                                                    
months. They  provided a  detailed expectation  for spending                                                                    
for each unit in the state.  The department also looked at a                                                                    
variety  of public  information  about ongoing  developments                                                                    
and  future  developments  as well  as  historical  spending                                                                    
companies  reported in  their  tax  returns. The  department                                                                    
applied a  risk factor to  costs expected for any  new units                                                                    
that were  in accordance with  the risk factors used  on the                                                                    
production side. There was some  agreement between the lease                                                                    
expenditure forecast and the production forecast.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Stickel continued  that in  looking at  the chart  both                                                                    
operating  and  capital expenditures  peaked  in  FY 15  and                                                                    
declined  for several  years as  oil prices  fell. In  FY 19                                                                    
allowable  operating  expenditures  were $2.9  billion.  The                                                                    
department  expected  them  to   decline  slightly  to  $2.7                                                                    
billion in FY 21 before climbing  to $3 billion by FY 24 and                                                                    
remaining  level.  He  indicated that  the  information  was                                                                    
based  on declining  production over  the near-term  and new                                                                    
fields coming online later in the decade.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Stickel  thought  capital   expenditures  told  a  more                                                                    
interesting story.  In FY 19 capital  expenditures were $2.2                                                                    
billion  which was  the first  increase after  3 consecutive                                                                    
years of  declines in capital  spending on the  North Slope.                                                                    
The  Department of  Revenue was  expecting  the increase  to                                                                    
continue with  $3.6 billion of North  Slope capital spending                                                                    
in FY  22. The information  was based on spending  for large                                                                    
new developments  like Pikka and Willow.  The department had                                                                    
a forecast  of capital  spending tapering  off later  in the                                                                    
decade.  However,  as  additional  new  developments  became                                                                    
identified or more  likely, there was a  potential upside to                                                                    
the forecast.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Mr.   Stickel   moved   to  slide   18   which   looked   at                                                                    
transportation costs  with a  10-year history  and forecast.                                                                    
They were costs associated  with pipelines including TAPS as                                                                    
well  as marine  transportation  costs for  getting the  oil                                                                    
from the North Slope to market  on the West Coast. The costs                                                                    
were important because they were  deducted against the gross                                                                    
value  calculation for  both tax  and  royalty purposes.  In                                                                    
general,  what the  department observed  was as  volume went                                                                    
down, transportation  costs on a  per barrel basis  went up.                                                                    
Additional production  in the pipeline had  the potential to                                                                    
reduce  transportation  costs. He  also  noted  there was  a                                                                    
decline in  costs in  FY 19,  as there was  a change  in how                                                                    
TAPS  tariffs  were  calculated  which  contributed  to  the                                                                    
decline. He turned the presentation over to Ms. Glover.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
2:37:39 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
COLLEEN  GLOVER,  DIRECTOR,   TAX  DIVISION,  DEPARTMENT  OF                                                                    
REVENUE, would  discuss a subset  of the tax credits  - only                                                                    
those available  for purchase  by the  state. She  turned to                                                                    
the graph  on slide 20,  a representation of the  balance of                                                                    
those  outstanding  credits at  the  time  that the  Revenue                                                                    
Sources Book (RSB) was generated.  The balance was estimated                                                                    
to be  approximately $740 million  which was  represented by                                                                    
the blue  bar in the 2020  column. The gray bars  showed the                                                                    
amount  the  department  estimated   that  the  state  would                                                                    
purchase  according to  the formula  in  statute. The  graph                                                                    
showed  when  the  purchases  would  occur.  There  was  the                                                                    
potential for the tax credit  bonding program to proceed and                                                                    
the  gray bars  would be  used  in the  calculation for  the                                                                    
discount values if it occurred.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Glover turned to slide  21: "Tax Credit Bonding Update."                                                                    
She reported  that there was  legislation passed in  2018 to                                                                    
allow the  state to issue  bonds to pay off  the outstanding                                                                    
tax credits. The legislation was  tied up in litigation with                                                                    
the Alaska  Supreme Court.  Until a  decision was  made, the                                                                    
state would hold off on issuing any bonding packages.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Glover  continued to slide  23 which provided  an annual                                                                    
update regarding oil  and gas production tax  audits. On the                                                                    
positive  side, the  division  was  working aggressively  to                                                                    
reduce  the backlog  of production  tax audits.  All of  the                                                                    
2013  audits were  completed in  the prior  year. Currently,                                                                    
the   division  was   working  on   the   2014  audits   and                                                                    
incorporating  efficiencies   and  streamlining   the  audit                                                                    
process. The  division intended to complete  the backlog and                                                                    
move to a 3-year cycle. The  production tax was the only tax                                                                    
that had  a statute  of limitations of  6 years  for audits,                                                                    
all the others were 3 years.  She spoke to the advantages of                                                                    
a 3-year audit cycle and getting current.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Glover  continued that another positive  improvement was                                                                    
that  currently the  division was  fully leveraging  the tax                                                                    
revenue management system which  was paying large dividends.                                                                    
She  explained that  tax returns,  starting with  2014, were                                                                    
filed in the  system making data available in  the system to                                                                    
be explored and  used for audit papers instead  of having to                                                                    
generate the  papers by hand.  The team spent  a significant                                                                    
time  planning for  the  change and  testing  the system  to                                                                    
ensure  that the  exported data  would be  accurate. Another                                                                    
positive improvement in the process  was having a documented                                                                    
audit   plan  with   each  taxpayer   being  audited   which                                                                    
identified      communication      protocols,      scheduled                                                                    
communications, scope,  and deliverables on both  sides. The                                                                    
division  met with  each taxpayer  and agreed  to protocols.                                                                    
The  division  had  received  positive  feedback  about  the                                                                    
engagement meetings. She concluded the presentation.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Foster referred  to  the addendum  section of  the                                                                    
presentation. He wondered if any  of them were of particular                                                                    
interest.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Stickel  pointed out  slide  29  which showed  a  brief                                                                    
history of North Slope oil  employment. He highlighted that,                                                                    
according to  preliminary data from the  Department of Labor                                                                    
and  Workforce  Development,   North  Slope  oil  employment                                                                    
increased  in  2019 for  the  first  year following  several                                                                    
years of  declines. He noted  that it lined up  very closely                                                                    
with the capital expenditures  information which also showed                                                                    
the  first  year  of increase  following  several  declining                                                                    
years. The department  was forecasting significant increases                                                                    
in  capital  expenditures.  If the  trend  held,  there  was                                                                    
reason to be optimistic  about potential oil employment over                                                                    
the following several years.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
2:43:25 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Stickel touched on slide  32 briefly. The department was                                                                    
asked to address the potential  impacts of the International                                                                    
Maritime  Organization (IMO)  2020.  He  explained that  IMO                                                                    
2020 was  a new  requirement, effective  January 1,  2020 to                                                                    
use  lower  sulfur  marine  fuel  in  marine  transportation                                                                    
across  the world.  Refineries had  been scrambling  to meet                                                                    
the demand for  the new lower sulfur oil.  He explained that                                                                    
while Alaska North Slope crude was  not a low sulfur oil, it                                                                    
was on the  lower side of the sulfur content  and was easily                                                                    
blended by refiners  to create the low  sulfur marine fuels.                                                                    
The  department  had  seen  a   premium  compared  to  other                                                                    
benchmarks  such  as  Brent  and   the  global  market.  The                                                                    
provisions related to  the IMO 2020 were part  of the reason                                                                    
for the  premium. Other reasons  for the premium  included a                                                                    
supply crunch on the West  Coast market where there had been                                                                    
lower production  for ANS as  well as competing  crudes from                                                                    
Iran and  Venezuela. He acknowledged  that IMO 2020  had had                                                                    
significant  impacts in  the refining  industry  and on  ANS                                                                    
prices  the department saw it as a temporary impact.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Stickel reported  that  slide  33 had  to  do with  the                                                                    
crossover  point  between  gross   and  net  tax  under  the                                                                    
production tax. He explained that  it was the point at which                                                                    
the  35 percent  net tax  less per  barrel credits  began to                                                                    
exceed  the  4  percent  gross  tax  floor.  In  the  spring                                                                    
forecast  DOR estimated  a crossover  point in  the mid  $60                                                                    
based on  the spring forecast, production,  and spending for                                                                    
FY 20.  In the  fall forecast  the department  was currently                                                                    
estimating a crossover  point near $80 per  barrel which was                                                                    
based on slightly lower production  as well as significantly                                                                    
higher spending for  FY 21. The department  was expecting to                                                                    
be  in the  minimum tax  regime given  DOR's price  forecast                                                                    
over  the  time  horizon  over   the  following  decade.  He                                                                    
indicated  that  it was  a  result  of  a combination  of  a                                                                    
slightly   lower  production   forecast  and   the  expected                                                                    
increase in company spending into the future.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Stickel reported  that slide  36 demonstrated  that not                                                                    
all oil  was the same.  The chart showed  various categories                                                                    
of land  in Alaska and  how royalties and taxes  applied for                                                                    
each of the  categories of land. He stated that  for the tax                                                                    
pieces, the state's  taxes applied to all land  in the state                                                                    
within 3  miles offshore regardless of  ownership. Royalties                                                                    
varied  depending on  the land  ownership. He  was available                                                                    
for questions.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Vice-Chair Ortiz  referred to  slide 11.  He asked  if there                                                                    
was a certain price where  the state crossed over from gross                                                                    
tax to  net tax. Mr.  Stickel responded the  crossover point                                                                    
was  different for  each taxpayer.  On  aggregate under  the                                                                    
fall  forecast  the crossover  was  around  $80 per  barrel.                                                                    
Acting Commissioner Barnhill directed attention to page 33.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
2:47:56 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Vice-Chair Ortiz referred to slide  16 about the net taxable                                                                    
revenues being less  than 4 percent. He wondered  if the per                                                                    
barrel credit had been factored.  Mr. Stickel responded that                                                                    
he was  correct. He explained  that 35 percent of  net minus                                                                    
the taxable  per barrel credit had  to be compared to  the 4                                                                    
percent gross tax floor.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Representative Ortiz  clarified that there should  have been                                                                    
a reference  to the per  barrel credit on the  slide. Acting                                                                    
Commissioner Barnhill  responded that it was  encompassed in                                                                    
the word, "net."                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Johnston  asked  if  the  Tax  Revenue  Management                                                                    
System (TRMS)  was online and running  presently. Ms. Glover                                                                    
responded in the affirmative.  Co-Chair Johnston wondered if                                                                    
the  documented   audit  plans   were  online.   Ms.  Glover                                                                    
responded that the audit plans were not public documents.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Johnston  clarified that she was  wondering if both                                                                    
were  being done  within the  system. She  thought it  was a                                                                    
hopeful improvement. Ms. Glover  replied that the system had                                                                    
made it more  efficient for the division  to complete audits                                                                    
more expediently  with better access  to data.  The division                                                                    
was confident  about returning  to a  3-year audit  cycle in                                                                    
the near future.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
2:50:02 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative Josephson  referred to  slide 6.  He wondered                                                                    
about  the administration's  policy about  moving additional                                                                    
royalty monies  beyond the 25 percent  to the constitutional                                                                    
budget reserve (CBR) versus the  general fund. He thought it                                                                    
was the previous administration  that changed the policy. He                                                                    
asked  for an  explanation of  the  change and  what was  in                                                                    
dispute. He suggested there was a difference of opinion.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Acting  Commissioner  Barnhill   responded  that  under  the                                                                    
constitution 25  percent of royalties were  dedicated to the                                                                    
PF. The question was related to  the PF rather than the CBR.                                                                    
The constitutional phrase started  with the words "At least"                                                                    
25  percent  of  royalties  were dedicated  to  the  PF.  He                                                                    
continued that by statute, the  legislature added another 25                                                                    
percent  to the  established 25  percent dedication  for new                                                                    
leases issued on or after  1980. Historically, the statutory                                                                    
increase for  new leases  had been  viewed as  an additional                                                                    
dedication -  instead of 25  percent it was 50  percent. The                                                                    
court dispute had  to do with whether the  phrase "at least"                                                                    
composed  a  constitutional  dedication.  The  question  was                                                                    
whether  the  additional  25  percent  bypassed  legislative                                                                    
appropriation. He  reported that  the Department of  Law did                                                                    
not  view the  additional 25  percent  for new  leases as  a                                                                    
constitutional     dedication.    Rather,     it    required                                                                    
appropriation.  There  were other  opinions  that  it was  a                                                                    
constitutional   dedication    not   requiring   legislative                                                                    
appropriation.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Acting Commissioner Barnhill continued  that for 2 years the                                                                    
Walker  Administration  did  not submit  the  additional  25                                                                    
percent to the legislature  for appropriation, and they were                                                                    
not  appropriated.  The additional  25  percent  was in  the                                                                    
budget for  FY 20  and FY  21. He  believed the  Division of                                                                    
Legislative Audit subscribed to the  view that the money was                                                                    
dedicated and should  be placed in the principle  of the PF.                                                                    
In the  previous year,  they proposed a  mechanism to  do so                                                                    
which  was not  embraced. Therefore,  the issue  and dispute                                                                    
still existed  around not moving  the extra 25  percent into                                                                    
the principle of the fund for 2 years.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Representative Josephson reported there  were vetoes of some                                                                    
efforts  to  move royalty  monies  under  the statute  under                                                                    
HB 39 [Legislation  that passed in 2019  regarding the State                                                                    
Operating  Budget] or  HB 2001  [Legislation passed  in 2019                                                                    
regarding  appropriations,  the  Earnings  Reserve  Account,                                                                    
operating, funds,  and other]. Acting  Commissioner Barnhill                                                                    
did not  remember the mechanism  by which the money  did not                                                                    
move. He did  not recall it being a veto.  He could get back                                                                    
to the committee on the details of how it came to be.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
2:54:35 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Josephson  asked  about  the  carry  forward                                                                    
lease expenditures. They  had to be used within  a decade or                                                                    
they would  be lost.  He wondered if  it had  influenced the                                                                    
speed at  which explorers worked.  He thought it was  one of                                                                    
the  main reforms  from SB  111  [Legislation introduced  in                                                                    
2019 -  Short Title: OIL/GAS  LEASE:DNR MODIFY NET  PRO]. He                                                                  
wondered if there had been  concern over potentially loosing                                                                    
capital expenditure dollars.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Stickel  thought the representative  made a  good point.                                                                    
He  responded that  there was  a  provision regarding  carry                                                                    
forward  lease expenditures  since  the  net operating  loss                                                                    
credits had  been phased out  on the  North Slope that  if a                                                                    
company  incurred a  net operating  loss,  they could  carry                                                                    
forward the  excess lease expenditures in  offsetting future                                                                    
years of tax liability. The  value of the lease expenditures                                                                    
began  to  degrade following  the  eighth  or eleventh  year                                                                    
after the  lease expenditures were earned.  He expected that                                                                    
companies would factor the  information into their economics                                                                    
and their plans.  A good question for  companies to consider                                                                    
was  whether  it  was  enough   to  change  development  and                                                                    
production decisions.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Josephson  asked  about  another  reform  in                                                                    
SB 111  regarding an  increase  in the  interest charge  for                                                                    
failure to timely pay what  the department thought was owed.                                                                    
The amount was reduced in SB  111, but there was an increase                                                                    
overall since  SB 21 [Legislation  passed in  2013 regarding                                                                    
oil  and  gas  production  tax]. He  was  concerned  whether                                                                    
better returns had been produced in a timelier fashion.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Glover replied  that the  interest  really played  more                                                                    
into the audits and the  timing of their completion with the                                                                    
interest  clock ticking.  She elaborated  that the  taxpayer                                                                    
filed monthly  returns and annual  returns. It was  a factor                                                                    
in  the  audit  timeline  and the  fact  that  interest  was                                                                    
occurring until an audit was  assessed and even after it was                                                                    
resolved or paid.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Representative Josephson  assumed if  the interest  rate was                                                                    
increased,  companies  would   be  extra  careful,  possibly                                                                    
overpaying  to avoid  interest penalties.  He  asked if  the                                                                    
state had seen anything similar.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Glover replied, "Not typically."  She indicated it would                                                                    
be a concern for the  companies regarding the state's timing                                                                    
of issuing an  audit. She had not seen  taxpayers overpay to                                                                    
circumvent additional  interest accruing.  At the  time they                                                                    
paid their return they did not  know the amount of the audit                                                                    
assessment.  She was  unaware of  additional payments  being                                                                    
made presently.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
2:58:40 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Acting  Commissioner   Barnhill  readdressed  Representative                                                                    
Josephson's question  regarding the  veto. He  indicated the                                                                    
proposed solution  by the Division  of Legislative  Audit to                                                                    
pull money  from the ERA  and put  it into the  principle to                                                                    
pay the 2 years-worth of the  addition 25 percent on the new                                                                    
leases was what had been vetoed by the governor.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Representative Wool  referred to  slide 3. He  queried about                                                                    
the  $563.5   million  of  petroleum  revenue   under  other                                                                    
restricted  revenue. Mr.  Stickel  replied that  it was  the                                                                    
portion of  oil and  gas royalties  that went  to the  PF as                                                                    
well as any  settlements from tax and  royalty disputes that                                                                    
went to the CBR fund.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Representative Wool asked  for the CBR amount.  He was aware                                                                    
money  had to  be  repaid  to the  CBR  but  was unsure  who                                                                    
enforced it.  Mr. Stickel responded  there were  two issues.                                                                    
First, there  was a requirement  to pay back money  that was                                                                    
used out  of the  CBR in the  budget process.  However, what                                                                    
was  really  being  discussed  on the  slide  was  that  any                                                                    
revenue  resulting   from  tax  or  royalty   disputes  with                                                                    
producers was deposited  into the CBR, as  stipulated in the                                                                    
constitution.  He  reported  that  for FY  19  the  deposits                                                                    
amounted  to   $181  million   in  petroleum   revenue.  The                                                                    
department was  forecasting $200 million  for FY 20  and $75                                                                    
million for FY 21.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
3:01:33 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative Wool noted the decline  from $2 billion in FY                                                                    
19 to  $1.5 billion then  down to $1.4 billion.  He remarked                                                                    
about the  significance of the reduction  over the following                                                                    
couple of years. He wondered if  the cut was based solely on                                                                    
price because  the production forecast  was within  a slight                                                                    
margin of error.  He wondered if the cut was  based on price                                                                    
and  the  prediction  of  price.  He  thought  the  cut  was                                                                    
drastic.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Stickel replied  that one  thing to  keep in  mind when                                                                    
looking  at  slide  5  was  that  it  represented  only  the                                                                    
unrestricted portion  of petroleum  revenues. The  state was                                                                    
also  receiving between  $400 million  and  $600 million  of                                                                    
restricted petroleum  revenues. Looking at  the unrestricted                                                                    
petroleum revenues, the price was  expected to be lower than                                                                    
it  was in  FY 19.  Production was  expected to  be slightly                                                                    
lower and company spending was  expected to be significantly                                                                    
higher.  Slightly   lower  production  and   higher  company                                                                    
spending moved the state into  a regime where companies were                                                                    
paying at the gross tax floor  instead of the higher net tax                                                                    
impacting the  tax side. The  combination of  the additional                                                                    
deposits going  to the PF reducing  the unrestricted general                                                                    
fund share  of royalties as  well as  a lower value  for oil                                                                    
affected  royalty  revenues.  As  a  greater  share  of  oil                                                                    
production  was  generated  from NPRA  and  other  non-state                                                                    
lands, the state  would end up getting  less royalty revenue                                                                    
overall.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Wool  referred  to   slide  29  that  showed                                                                    
employment which  tracked with capital investment.  He asked                                                                    
how closely it tracked with the price of oil.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Stickel  responded that there was  a correlation between                                                                    
all  three. The  decrease  in spending  correlated with  the                                                                    
lower oil  price which also  correlated with a  reduction in                                                                    
employment.  Companies  were trying  to  figure  out how  to                                                                    
maintain  viability of  the operations  given the  lower oil                                                                    
prices.  As  prices  had  recovered,  capital  spending  and                                                                    
employment started to recover in FY 19.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
3:05:24 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Wool  noted  production followed  price.  He                                                                    
relayed  that the  department was  predicting lower  pricing                                                                    
over time.  He asked  if the department  had done  a 10-year                                                                    
prediction.   He  wondered   about   the  previous   10-year                                                                    
prediction. He asked about biases in previous predictions.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Stickel responded that one  thing the department noticed                                                                    
in  the  oil  price  forecasts was  they  tended  to  anchor                                                                    
heavily to  the current  price. He  suggested that  when oil                                                                    
prices  were  above  $100 per  barrel,  the  department  was                                                                    
forecasting prices  above $100 per  barrel for a  long time.                                                                    
Depending  on   which  forecast   someone  looked   at,  the                                                                    
department likely missed the mark.  He thought there was one                                                                    
forecast  about  a  decade earlier  that  forecasted  prices                                                                    
around  $59 per  barrel  to $60  per  barrel presently.  The                                                                    
department changed  the forecast methodology because  it was                                                                    
putting a  significant effort into  a fine point on  the oil                                                                    
price  forecast which  turned out  to  be inaccurate.  After                                                                    
some analysis,  the department found that  using the futures                                                                    
market  to generate  a forecast  was just  as accurate  with                                                                    
much less effort.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Acting  Commissioner Barnhill  added that  if the  chart was                                                                    
pushed  back  a year,  the  prices  were  up over  $100  per                                                                    
barrel. Oil prices were extremely  volatile and had been for                                                                    
a long time.  He mentioned that the  department had observed                                                                    
over  the   prior  year  that  volatility   seemed  to  have                                                                    
decreased.   There  had   been  a   number  of   substantial                                                                    
geopolitical  events over  the previous  few months.  In the                                                                    
past, oil would spike then  drop. He suggested that 10 years                                                                    
prior the  markets were fairly  reactive to such  events but                                                                    
were less so currently.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Johnston   was  pleased   with  how   the  revenue                                                                    
forecasts were being  done based on the  futures market. She                                                                    
spoke of  the price hitting  $85 per  barrel for one  day in                                                                    
the prior year.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
3:09:15 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Foster  surmised that, looking at  UGF revenue, the                                                                    
state   could  anticipate   fairly  flat   revenue  overall.                                                                    
Unrestricted general fund revenue  was up about $10 million.                                                                    
Petroleum revenue was down by  about $150 million but offset                                                                    
by non-petroleum  revenue as well  as the POMV which  was up                                                                    
by  about  $160  million.  He reiterated  that  revenue  was                                                                    
fairly  flat. He  asked if  the presenters  had anything  to                                                                    
add.                                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Acting   Commissioner  Barnhill   responded  that   Co-Chair                                                                    
Foster's  observations   were  correct.  For   the  previous                                                                    
several  years  the  state  had  been  in  the  midst  of  a                                                                    
fundamental  paradigm  shift in  terms  of  where the  state                                                                    
revenues  came  from.  The change  had  led  to  protractive                                                                    
discussions within the legislature and across the state.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Foster thanked  the  presenters  and reviewed  the                                                                    
agenda for the following day.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
ADJOURNMENT                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
3:11:05 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
The meeting was adjourned at 3:11 p.m.                                                                                          

Document Name Date/Time Subjects
DNR Production Forecast HFIN 1.23.20.pdf HFIN 1/23/2020 1:30:00 PM
Fall 2019 Revenue Fcst Presentation_20200122_1130a.pdf HFIN 1/23/2020 1:30:00 PM
DOR Fall Forecast HFIN
DOR Response to House Finance 2020-03-03.pdf HFIN 1/23/2020 1:30:00 PM